Anony Mous

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  Just saw this on Facebbok, by Barbara Anderson, Disfellowshiping cancelled by "worldly" Court !

  by Phizzy in

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  excuse the translation to english not being perfect ,.

  barbara anderson.

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  Anony Mous

  No, the court cannot force association. But the legal entity and its rules falls under jurisdiction of the courts (same goes for the US) and it's not uncommon for disputes within an organization, even non-profits and churches, to be adjudicated in court (eg employment issues - you can't fire someone on illegal grounds such as religion even if you're the Catholic Church)

  The rules of the JW organization can be adjudicated by a "worldly" court and often are in, for example, child custody cases. In my case elders were disallowed from disfellowshipping me because it would be prejudicing and damaging to the relationship between me and my child.

  There are a number of cases where the actions of the JWs get limited, eg you can get a restraining order against the Watchtower entities from their representatives contacting and visiting you. As long as the court does not limit the constitutional protections, which would be the case of a blanket ban on preaching in a geographical area, civil cases in courts can and do result in all sorts of sanctions on the WTBTS, but the WTBTS often can and does get gag orders in place as well, especially if they end up settling rather than litigating.
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  Jordan Peterson - Messiah or Poseur?

  by cofty in

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  a jp video came up on my youtube feed last week - he was on a panel in front of a huge audience and some poor disturbed guy ran on stage and started crying and wailing to peterson that he needed his help.

  it was agonising to watch.. what was even more disturbing was the comments section.

  i do not exaggerate when i say that dozens of people were extolling peterson's wisdom as if jesus had come again.

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  He is rarely asked to clarify, he often gets asked what his position is, often with the goal of classifying him into the "ultra-religious right wing cook" which he understandably never answers outright. He also doesn't want to lie and his viewpoint on Christianity is rarely contained in a single sound bite.

  He's admitted to not being a Christian in the strictest sense of belonging to one or another church or believing in the unerring of the Bible but he does believe that the Judeo-Christian message is important in our society and has influenced our morality and it's hard to separate it both from our collective as well as his individual psyche.

  I think he struggles with disconnecting the influence of Christianity in his own thinking and he hasn't made up his mind as to whether the whole thing is a psychological byproduct or something he should actually believe.

  I don't know the man personally but I do understand where he is coming from when he doesn't want to expound on his position, these days people just want to classify you as religious and then they can safely ignore you and your position because you aren't an atheist.

  I am an atheist myself but I do believe that there is a morally superior message in the Judeo-Christian faiths compared to eg Islam or Buddhism which has caused the West to develop as it has.
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  Jordan Peterson - Messiah or Poseur?

  by cofty in

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  a jp video came up on my youtube feed last week - he was on a panel in front of a huge audience and some poor disturbed guy ran on stage and started crying and wailing to peterson that he needed his help.

  it was agonising to watch.. what was even more disturbing was the comments section.

  i do not exaggerate when i say that dozens of people were extolling peterson's wisdom as if jesus had come again.

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  He is a tremendous intellectual that has a great amount of insight in 20th century history and how it's starting to repeat itself in the 21st century with the rise of socialism/communism and far-left (similar to Nazi and Stalinist) ideas.

  I don't necessarily agree with all his analysis but he does a decent job at explaining why his ideas are valid. He does fall into the Professor trap where he tries to over explain or treat his audience as students with a significant level of prerequisite knowledge.

  As far as his religiosity and ideas around it, as he has made clear, he doesn't want to expound on a topic that requires a good background knowledge, because he'd be taken out of context, hence he won't argue about those things because it takes a lot of time to properly explain a position. He also won't go into personal religious or "did Jesus really do miracles" because according to one interview, there is nothing to be gained in those debates because it depends on what you believe and how you define the words and which facts you accept. He does have a series of lectures on the Judeo-Christian values and ideas from the Bible.

  All-in-all, he is honest about his views, he is open for honest discussions and when it comes to people and politics, all around brilliant in his debates with journalists and sees right through when the media is trying to entrap him into a sound bite.
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  Police and Fire Department Officials in Guatemala Benefit From Bible-Based Workshops

  by TheFadingAlbatros in

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  https://www.jw.org/en/news/jw/region/guatemala/police-and-fire-department-officials-in-guatemala-benefit-from-bible-based-workshops/.

  i am surprised that a government authority is calling on a religious organization to give their police and fire department officials instructions to behave in a better way with the guatemalan population.

  the organization of jehovah's witnesses is well known to separate families (shunning) and have in the past protected numerous pedophiles within their organization ( maybe they are still doing it now somewhere in secret, who knows ?

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  The photo is staged, the girl is way too happy, the JWs way too nicely dressed, fresh pressed suits in that environment, climate and dust after you've been schlepping in and out a car for 2 hours and the cart is posed "just so" to make it clear this is the way we spread the message. It's very similar in setup to just about any other JW picture.

  Most likely the thing is the other way around, the government is inviting various religious groups to talk on a subject in the hopes of appeasing the populace, as police officers do the world over after some brutality incident, and the JWs are making it into a media stunt.

  Replace JW with Al Sharpton in the USA and you got the same media release on how Dr. Rev. Sharpton is reeducating police on coming to the Lord and good behavior.
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  Quote Misquote Misleading

  by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

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  2. friends

  the latest watchtowel (march 2020) study edition has a question from readers ‘what evidence exists outside the bible that the israelites were slaves in egypt?’ from what i read in the bible unearthed there being nothing to base any claims on.

  the article gives a quote by ‘dr.

  bimson : “the biblical traditions of the bondage in egypt and of the exodus have a firm historical basis.” no links or sources given.

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  There is no historical evidence of anything in the Bible from Abraham up to King Hezekiah. There are stories that roughly align but the times are all wrong, king David and his lineage never existed, the entire area was continuously occupied and the Jews, although they have historically always lived there (unlike the Jordanians and other invaders currently claiming the land after the British Empire crumbled), until the Persians and Greeks came along never had a unified kingdom. The Greeks and Persians installed kings as an effective means to maintain stability and a feeling of unity within a group.

  As far as the biblical message, yes the Egyptians ruled over the area so it's likely escapee slaves were welcomed in the rebellious area of Israel. The Jews did have a strong written history which made them unique and caused them to be strong predecessors to other organized religions such as Christianity and Islam. Their written history unified them across time and distance lands but a lot of it is allegory and fable written exactly for that purpose.
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  Will Brexiteers be happy with Phase 2 of Brexit?

  by The Fall Guy in

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  "brussels plans to insist that in order to get that "quick and dirty" deal, the prime minister would have to sign up to eu conditions: alignment with eu environmental, state aid and tax regulations for example.

  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-50777995.

  would such a deal represent what they thought they were voting for in the referendum?.

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  This isn's Theresa May's government, Boris Johnson is an intellectual and he can see through the schemes. Sure, Brussels wants to demand basically for the UK to remain in the German Empire without representation, that was Theresa May's deal was and it got rightfully rejected.

  The UK should exit with or without a trade deal, trade will happen, Boris understands history and the UK is the richest state in Europe - Europe can't survive without the UK, if Brexit happens and Merkel continues to impose her will upon the EU member states or tries to 'punish' the UK with trade barriers, there will be more exits, people need to trade with the UK, they're not going to be happy just trading with Portugal, Greece and Turkey.
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  Proportional Representation vs Electoral Collages

  by Simon in

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  the craziness of first-past-the-post elections .... we'll no doubt have to now live through the scotts demanding another referendum, because we may take their lands, but we will never take their freedom!

  and so they want to be free of the uk, where they have a disproportionate influence in parliament, and be a little dot that's part of the eu.

  yup, freedom.. but anyway, as it stands right now they have 48 seats after getting 1.2m votes.

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  This vote was yet another referendum on Brexit, not on Scottish independence. SNP ran on Remain, they wanted to remain part of a Union, now they'll get that.

  If Labour had won, they'd won their independence from the UK but not from the EU? How is the EU better than the UK, at least in the UK they get to be part of parliament.

  The other thing is that Scots didn't vote unilaterally for SNP, the Lib-Dems, a Unionist party got 1/3 of the vote in Scotland and largely cannibalized Labour votes.
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  Greta Thunberg...what’s your view of her?

  by minimus in

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  she certainly is passionate about climate change.

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  She is a manipulative hate-filled person. Sure, her parents have a hand in it but so does her far-left teachers and the rest of left-wing society egging her on.

  I have Aspergers too, if she has actually been diagnosed (and not just her parents claiming it) AND she shows this kind of emotion that means she KNOWS exactly what she's doing - she's manipulating people.

  Aspies don't have that sort of emotional outbursts, we can fake it (yes, I've done it too), we're cold and logical when it comes to things, we'd rather explain with facts why certain things are true. Aspies are easily confused with psychopaths when it comes to external emotion and emulation but on the inside we're actually soft and don't have the violent tendencies.
  
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  The Latest From The Loony Left

  by Simon in

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  so apparently, not only can people identify as men or women, regardless of reality, but they've now declared that people can identify as black or white as well!

  no word yet from rachel dolezal, who will no doubt be declared a visionary, and sadly michael jackson didn't live long enough to celebrate.. i must say, now that i am a black woman, my views on reparations have completely changed.

  y'all owe me some reparations bitches to make up for slavery yo.

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  I identify as an attack helicopter.
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  Prince Andrew & Jeffrey Epstein, WTF

  by Simon in

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  in fact, several "wtf"s, not least - why were you visiting a convicted pedophile after his release from prison, never-mind having any contact with him in the first place when his preoclivities seemed to be an open secret.. and the best he can some up with is "i don't remember"?

  you don't remember?

  there's a fucking photo of you with one of the victims and accessories to the crimes you dumb fuck!.

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  The interview sure was a 'car crash', I'd call it character suicide but not like Epstein who didn't kill himself.